What’s Worse Than Credit Card Debt? Student Loans

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Last week the Wall Street Journal sent a message that many of you needed to hear about ten years ago. They identified that student loan debt has officially surpassed credit card debt and now totals some $830 billion. It seems like irresponsibility has jumped the track and now resides in the classroom. This is reckless spending in the name of education. I’ve often been accused of not sugarcoating my financial opinions and this will be no different. Here’s why I’m often the most unpopular guy in the room. Buckle up.
Tuition is a product, plain and simple. And just like any other product you have to be responsible with your choices. Do you buy a Mercedes Benz when you can only afford a Hyundai? Do you buy a $1,000,000 home when you can only afford a $150,000 townhouse? Then why in the world would you ever let your 18-year-old kid, who is no longer allowed to get a measly credit card on their own, to walk blindly down the path of financial suicide just to go to an expensive school?
I’m about to give you the tough love your parents didn’t give you. And I realize it might be too late for you, but ignoring this doesn’t stop the cycle.
Here’s the bottom line on this issue: it’s easier NOT to get into this debt than it is to deal with the debt once you’re in it. As of today, you can’t discharge government guaranteed student loans in bankruptcy. That means you WILL pay it back if it takes the rest of your life.
Think About Community College for Your Core
You don’t need to take English 101 and Chemistry 101 at Duke. You can take them at a community college or a state school and then transfer. Your core curriculum doesn’t need to cost you the same as your final two or three years. This is like paying the same amount for preseason NFL tickets as you do for regular season games.
Just like frugal car buyers never buy a new car and always get something that simply solves the “point A to point B” problem, so should you take a frugal approach to a college education. Cheaper doesn’t equate to substandard so don’t swallow that pill. There is absolutely nothing wrong with community college for your core and an in-state state school for your major.
And yes, I know some schools won’t let you transfer those core credits, but many will.
Wake, Stanford, Duke, Come on!
Why won’t you be reasonable with your college choices just like you should be reasonable with every other credit decision? No, you don’t need to go to Wake Forest at $40,000 per year. No, you don’t need to go to Notre Dame at $40,000 per year. No, you don’t need to drive that new BMW. No, you don’t need to run up $20,000 in credit card debt. Is there really a difference? There’s nothing wrong with an in-state state school, with community college for your core. Going to an expensive school isn’t a birthright and parents who sit on their tongues and let their kids head down this “expensive is better” path are 100% to blame.
College Degree, Reality Check!
Parents and advisors need to step up and give their kids, who don’t know any better at 18, a dose of reality about college degrees, which are basically nothing more than an “entry pass” to the bigger job market. You don’t need a fancy five-year degree (and maybe even grad school) that ends up costing you $100,000 in student loans unless there’s real ROI at graduation (law, medicine, nursing …something that pays off and practically guarantees you a job for as long as you want one).
Choose a degree that gets you in the workforce door and be done with it. If you’re still depending on your degree to get a job five years after you graduate then you’re not doing well. Experience is the real selling point eventually. I’m quite certain I’ve never been hired because of my impressive B.S in Criminal Justice from the University of West Georgia.
For The Haters
Save it. I don’t come from money and I didn’t go to an expensive school. I worked summers to help pay for my cheap, in-state tuition. Getting into student loan debt just to go to a more expensive school seemed unreasonable to me and I’m eternally grateful for the brief moment of clarity when my father asked me, “So John, where are you going to school?”
This is why you guys love me…because I’m not afraid to be the least popular guy in the room saying what you need to hear.
John Ulzheimer is the President of Consumer Education at SmartCredit.com, the credit blogger for Mint.com, and the author of the “credit history” definition on Wikipedia. He is an expert on credit reporting, credit scoring and identity theft. Formerly of FICO, Equifax and Credit.com, John is the only recognized credit expert who actually comes from the credit industry. He has served as a credit expert witness in more than 70 cases and has been qualified to testify in both Federal and State court on the topic of consumer credit.
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« Previous 1 2I think that it’s more of an issue with our Education System in America than the financial faults of hardworking students and parents who only want their children to succeed. You compared going to a college that you can’t afford to buying a car/house that you can’t afford, but it is very different. Where on your resume do you put what type of car you own and how big your house is? Just like most products, better colleges tend to cost more money. However, it doesn’t matter how much money you have (to some extent), if your grades/scores/application/interview aren’t good enough to get you into that school, you won’t be paying tuition to attend that school. Maybe you can refresh my memory, what is the minimum SAT score for buying a BMW? Do you think a 3.8 GPA is good enough to buy that mansion?
Now I am stuck in the same position as many people, I tried hard in high school and got into a very good (and expensive) school. I earned a decent scholarship from my school, but it doesn’t come close to covering tuition. My parents don’t make enough money to pay for me to go to school, they also make too much for the government to pay for me to go to school. So what did I do? I took out student loans and will be in debt for quite some time after I graduate. Why? I would hope that a degree from my school will help me earn me a considerable amount more than a degree from a community or state school. Hopefully the money I make with this degree minus the amount I spent on school will be greater than the money I would make with a degree from a lesser school.
But does this have to happen? Why should hard working students suffer because they are forced to choose a school based on their parents financial standing rather than their ability to do well in school? Kids are put in the position of having to make a choice between being in debt for a large portion of their life in order to attend the best school they got into or go to a cheaper school and stay out of debt. I’m not a fan of the government giving money away, but education is definitely one area where they need to. And the current financial aid system is not good enough. When my school told me how much financial aid I would be receiving I thought they were joking. The amount they gave me plus the amount my parents earn could pay for me to attend my school… but then my parents wouldn’t be able to pay their mortgage, utilities, car payments, and other necessary bills. Education is very important, but parents shouldn’t have to give up everything to pay for school. Something needs to be done about this, either tuition needs to go down or the government needs to give more financial aid for students, but right now the system is not helping many people that need its help.
I think you missed the point entirely. The point of this post is an expensive school does not equal a good job. No, you don’t place your car or home on your resume, but once you have your first job, where you went to school is less and less important. And usually you get that first job from networking, not by the school that is listed on your resume. And your college experience is what you make of it. If you study hard, have internships and an excellent portfolio or recommendations on graduation, it will not matter if you paid $6,000 a year or $40,000 a year on your education.
Have you thought about how much your monthly student loan payment is going to be? You start repaying six months after you graduate, so you better have a pretty well-paying job. If you borrow $80,000 total, your payments will be over $900 a month.
I went to state school and found a great job before I graduated; a job I know people from expensive private schools also applied for.
Thank you Sarah for actually reading the article.
Watch College, Inc. It is a documentary about what’s wrong with our higher education system and how much money for-profit education “institute” such as University of Phoenix is racking in. It show the advertisements and false promises for a job after graduations these schools are pitching. It’s unfair, sad, and upsetting. Seeing these motivated people wanting to learn and wind up quitting because of heavy debt.
Awesome Mike. Thanks for the suggestion. I have spoken to MANY recruiters and HR folks and off the record they all seem to have a negative response when I bring up the topic of online degrees. And to clarify, not online degrees offered by reputable schools but online degrees from schools you’ve never heard of.
I was very lucky to avoid student loans – by ditching the Ivy League in favor of the Great White North. Even as an international student, top Canadian schools are very affordable, fully accredited, and every bit as challenging as my husband’s alma mater, Dartmouth, which is nearing $50k a year. My tuition was about 1/10th of his, though he was able to swing financial aid and scholarships and end up with only $15,000 in debt.
That being said, going to a school with a prestigious name does have its perks. Schools like Dartmouth and Yale have vast alumni networks with people all over the world who will help you out with career opportunities. My university, McGill, doesn’t have the same name recognition in the U.S., so it hasn’t been as fruitful in that respect.
Bah. I call bullshit on your examples. I did go to a fancy college at $30k per year. I did consulting work to pay for it while in school. How did I find such consulting work? Easy. Connections through my fancy school.
Stanford. Harvard. MIT. Yale. Worth every penny. You meet top people, and you have those connections for the rest of your life. Graduating? Call up a few of your senior dorm mates, and you’ve got a posh job. Applying somewhere? That school on the resume sure does look good. I came out with almost no debt. Even if I had debt, my first job was 6 figures. You can pay off debt pretty fast with a 6 figure income and a student lifestyle.
You’re absolutely right about Wake Forest. I’ve never heard of Wake Forest. There’s a ton of $30k-$40k schools with non-selective admissions. Waste of money. State school will generally give a better education for less. But the dozen-or-so most selective schools in the nation? Well worth it. Coincidentally, those schools also offer great financial aid if you can’t afford it, so you don’t come out with $100k in debt almost no matter what.
Oh yeah, and grad school pays you to do it. At least in any marketable field except law, business, or medicine, and in law or medicine you end up paying off debts pretty damn quick too (assuming you want to).
while i agree with all of your points, i just have to say with incredulity: you’ve NEVER heard of Wake Forest????? were you a bookworm living under a rock the past 20 years? i can’t stand college basketball, but i still know Wake Forest simply because of their sports programs.
you’re an idiot for writing this. basically you’re telling kids to give up their dreams to be something awesome to save the country a few bucks. I’ve got $60000 in student loans on top of $10000 in credit card debt b/c of living expenses and i’m a year and a half away from graduating. the issue is the government needs to fix the system so it works again.
“you’re an idiot for writing this” translated means “dude, you’re so right and I’m terrified about my $60K in student loan debt.”
He is not a idiot, I agree with him. You should not have racked up 70000 in debt just to chase your dreams when you could have done it way cheaper.
Even if you come out making 100,000 it will probably take you 10 years to pay that off. Assuming you buy a nice house and car and other expense (I assume you wont be cheap here either). It would have been much easier to go to community college (2 years 15,000 total) Then transfer to a university (probably 40000) total. You have spent 70,000 already with 1.5 yrs to go and this is assuming you have paid some off.
the best part is that your degree will still come from the university, you will still meet people, and you have saved alot of money.
Give up their dreams? No sir, you are the idiot. I did my first 2 years at a local CC and it saved me a TON of money. Ill be graduating from Stanford next spring with a lot less debt than most people who decided to pay top dollar to have Grad students teach them GE.
Have fun paying off those massive loans over the next decade while I’m paying off my house.
“I’m quite certain I’ve never been hired because of my impressive B.S in Criminal Justice from the University of West Georgia.”
Yes, that’s exactly the point. I’m quite certain that I’ve been hired for high-paying jobs many times because my resume says MIT, and the same is true of my friends from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc.
And in fact, having helped with the recruiting at these companies, I can tell you that you will have a much harder time getting your foot in the door if you don’t come from a top tier school.
More expensive isn’t always better, but top tier colleges are worth it if you can get in. And the very top tier is making it easier and easier to pay – Stanford is basically free for families making less than $250k/year, and Harvard, MIT et. al. provide similarly generous need-based aid.
If you can get into a top tier school, GO. Fair or unfair, it will be a golden ticket for you for the rest of your life.
I really, REALLY wish I had heard this before I made the very mistake you talk about here. You should go around to to high schools and spread the word. I think it would have gotten through to me.
The point of the article is good, he is just missing a few points….
If you want to get a job that does not require a fancy degree, don’t go for the private school!
Want to be an elementary school teacher, then finger paint at community college!
Want to be an investment banker who makes a crap ton of money and can pay off loans, go to Harvard.
The point of his article should have been… take a look at the loans, take a look at the total cost of the loans, and what is your return. If your salary is less than one year of tuition, then effed up somewhere.
very astute reflection on this article. i completely agree with you. he should’ve been a little more specific when talking about why someone would (or should) choose a top-tier expensive school.
also, he failed to mention that many times it’s the experiences that one gains in those first couple years away from home that are invaluable.
I really enjoyed your point about the elementary school teacher.
I feel quite safe knowing that “fingerpainting” is the only requirement for being able to teach our children.
if you are well prepared and are able to speak foreing languages, come to europe. cheap tuitions at good universities.
this guy is completely right, especially for those of you going to 2nd tier and 3rd tier (lmao) private schools. Unless you get a scholarship or enough aid that you don’t go into debt just go to a state school school or community for ur first 2 years. Your 3rd year however transfer to wherever but do as much as you can to have money.
Considering I JUST got off the phone with my student loan lender, this couldn’t be more timely!!! I OFTEN ask myself this question. Stubbornly, my answer is always yes, I’d do it all over again. I will agree that you make some very valid points. The decisions being made about college (or anything for that matter) should never be based on the “more expensive is better” principle. That’s plain crazy. But I would argue that the question is one of QUALITY, and not just quality of classroom education. There are hundreds of fine state institutions that will deliver a quality product, and you will graduate with a wonderful education. Many of those same schools will even offer you the less tangible benefits of the “traditional” campus, residential experience, four-year bonding with classmates, living in a new city or state, learning and living with people from different walks of life, etc. THESE, to me, are also factors upon which the quality of your education should be judged. And truth be told, sometimes, these things cost more. Face it, even the publics are super expensive these days, especially if you want to live on campus (I live in the land of the University of California; I know of what I speak!). And while I don’t encourage my students to put ALL of their eggs in the prestigious degree basket, I will argue that, for better or worse, there are lots of employers out there, in lots of different industries (not just investment banking), who are swayed by a fancy degree. It doesn’t have to be from Harvard; Duke or Wake will also suffice. So, while I agree with your overall point about making smart financial choices (no one should go to debtors’ prison just to pay for college), I think there are more nuanced and intangible factors that go into making this decision that can’t be boiled down to dollars and cents.
AMEN!!!! very well put!
i keep saying on here that many times the experience of those first couple years is invaluable and unquantifiable.
i’m still paying off my State school loans (i’m a CA girl, too!) 12 years later, and my job has very little to do with my degree, but i wouldn’t trade those freshman/sophomore dorm years for anything.
I agree with much of what the article has to say, and some of what the detractors say too. Top Ivy League and prestigious (hard to get into) schools like MIT, Harvard, Yale and Stanford are worth it. You will get lots of aid and the connections are invaluable.
First tier state schools are usually worth the cost too. In Texas, grads from UT or A&M have the same kind of alumni hiring power (the good ‘ole boy network) that a Yalie or MIT grad have elsewhere. So, choosing the right college is important.
Choosing the right major and living off-campus are important too. On-campus living is a huge rip-off. Most kids can find an apartment to share and cut costs with a trusted friend. Majoring in French Literature may be intellectually rewarding, but not financially. Look at the job market – tech, medicine, engineering, bio, chemistry – basically the hard sciences are what is in need these days. Get a B.S. and you’ll almost always have a job – B.A.s and B.B.A.s are a dime a dozen. Better than a High School diploma, but only just.
The advice of looking into the salary of a first year employee in the business vs. the cost of 1-year of college is good advice.
And avoid ALL other forms of debt as much as possible while in college, especially credit cards.
Nice comments Robert. Incidentally, as of Feb 22 2010 if you’re under 21 you can no longer open a credit card without a co-signer or some sort of income so it’s harder for college students, the new ones anyway, to get into credit card debt.
“Your core curriculum doesn’t need to cost you the same as your final two or three years. This is like paying the same amount for preseason NFL tickets as you do for regular season games. ”
i don’t want to read the other 90 comments, but i did want to say this:
pre-season NFL games DO cost just as much as regular-season games. their face value is exactly the same.
get a better analogy and maybe i’ll put some stock into your writing.
by the way, you’re forgetting one MAJOR consideration: college isn’t all about the classes and what it can get you when you graduate. for many of us, it was the *experience* that was worth the money (and just to be clear, i went to a State school).
Right, that’s exactly what I meant. It’s like paying the same amount for preseason NFL games (your core curriculum) as you do for regular season games (major courses). I know they’re all the same face value, that was the point of the analogy….it doesn’t make sense for the purchaser to pay that same amount for all the games (core plus major). We straight?
John, You absolutely killed it this time. Great article. Period. Oh yeah, can you say that part again about how you cannot discharge student loan debt in a BK? Yes, you will pay those student loans back no matter what. Thanks John…this was great. I work with entrepreneurs and small business owners everyday and I’ve yet to meet a trep or a small biz owner who couldn’t launch their business or who couldn’t get their financing because they went to the wrong school BUT we have met many of these folks who couldn’t get their financing because of student loans or excessive personal credit card debt. Great stuff John!
How about that, a real life example.
- The school one picks leads to much more than simply the job upon graduation (e.g., network for life, friends, potential spouse, geographic location) – basing decision on exit salary seems reductionist.
- Education is an investment, not an expense. BMW’s lose value over time, education pays (for now at least). As an investment, it is also risky, and probably not worth it if seen only from that lens.
- Everything does not always boil down to money. The most scare resource for anyone in the developed world is time. The clock is always running. Hopefully whatever decision that is made allows for maximum ability to spend time in the way one wishes for the largest percentage of one’s life.
I come from relatively modest means. I went to a relatively cheap state school for my undergrad degree. But I went to a relatively expensive and prestigious law school.
Having gone both routes, I can say that education is no different than anything: there is a strong correlation between what you pay for and what you get.
Until I went to the prestigious law school, I didn’t understand that the smarter the people you surround yourself with, the better off you are. As an undergrad, I was often leading the curve. In law school, I was just average — while my roommate went off to clerk for the Supreme Court.
You’re right that education is like anything expensive. You can buy a Ferrari and drive it like an ass and crash it, or drive it like an 80 year old guy. So going to an expensive school is not enough, in itself, to ensure success. But it sure doesn’t hurt. And if I wanted to race, I’ll take the Ferrari over a Hyundai any day.
The problem is that colleges are selling their brand the way companies market products like handbags, phones, clothing, etc. And the kids don’t want to be seen without the best brand among their circle of friends. They think they are buying prestige with their choice in school.
No one taught them that education is an ROI decision and that they should not consider if the degree will land them a $50k job, but rather the delta between that job and the one they can get now, without the degree. Assuming they are a smart enough kid to get into college, they can probably get a $40k job now. So, five years at $40k ($200k earned) vs $100k or more in debt… it’s hard to make that ROI equation work.
This whole discussion is ridiculous. Education should be paid for by the government like it is in most Western European countries. They invest in the education of their population because they know how valuable it is.
Have you noticed that MOST OTHER COUNTRIES DON’T HAVE THIS PROBLEM?!! (this problem being student loan debt causing financial hardship for people)
This is the single dumbest blog post ever written on an otherwise great blog. The author in this case is totally clueless. Your school DOES matter. That is the first of about ten errors in your recommendation.
My advice is to join the military. The newly revised Post 9/11 GI Bill is very lucrative. I can only speak for the Active Duty side, but I have billed about 10,000 dollars to tuition assistance and they have paid every dime. The only thing I have paid for is textbooks and a few miscellaneous college fees. Even when I leave the military in about a year, If I’m just a half time student, I’ll get paid about 1450 for living expenses and make full tuition assistance. Once I exhaust my benefits, which would take about three years, I can start using my state sponsored tuition assistance for veterans. I’d look into enlisting into the Air Force or Navy if you can, they have plenty of options as far as college goes depending on your base. It’s only a four year stint, and I’m starting to realize how valuable it’s been. As for everyone in large amounts of debt for prestige, I hope they have made it worth while with all of their networking.
So? Emigrate.
Also, I predict unemployment will go up from now, every year 1-2% anually. In 30-50 years almost nobody will work.
In the US that will mean – people starving, ghetto’s, more prisons, compounds and eventually bloody revolution. In the CIVILIZED world it will mean a guaranteed basic income and everyone working a few hours a week.
Fuck student debts.
Thanks for the prediction, glad your economics degree from the University of Phoenix is working out… grow up.
Yay! UWG! Pretty much agree with you. I did my core classes at a community college, it saved me a lot of money too, then transferred to UWG. Really didn’t owe much in loans and was still able to follow my dream…but I’m in grad school now and will be paying for it later. But I’m in my niche and networking.
A fellow alum? Excellent?
I love living in Australia. I pay $0 to go to University because the government pays for me. When I start earning enough money, I pay it back to the government when its tax time. Best part about that is, your employer takes a little extra out of your tax each week so when end of FY comes around, you’re pretty much covered. Interest? No, but the debt increases by CPI (which is never more than 4%) each year. My entire degree will cost me no more than $40,000. Its not like we have Harvard here but the university I go to is still in the worlds top 50 if that’s anything to go by.
I’m not sure if this kind of system is feasible in America, but I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt to try and implement something similar for middle-class families or those from low socio-economic areas.
Having come from not a lot and taking out a fair amount of loans to finance my private college education, I see what you’re saying, in theory. HOWEVER…before you go comparing student loans with credit card debt, think about what was acquired in each. Living beyond your means through credit cards gets you nowhere. Spending a bit more on an education–whose loans, often, come at a fairly low interest rate–can never be taken from the borrower. An education is truly priceless. Sure, you can get a great education at a community college or state school, but I argue that depending on the type of student you are, one may benefit from being surrounded by like-minded, motivated peers, a population of which is often more concentrated at a more competitive school.
Thanks for the write up, how about a follow up for those of us that read this 10 years too late. The new government laws on student loans have myself (and no doubt many others) lost on what a student loan even is any more.
I only have one qualm with your article: when you call in-state tuition cheap. As a student, I have to disagree. I understand that it’s much less expensive that private schools but it still costs a lot of money. Even with a part-time job and financial aid, I barely have enough money to pay tuition and rent, let alone living expenses.
Good point Ben. It’s certainly not inexpensive. In fact, your education will likely be the second largest purchase you’ll ever make. Right behind your house.
awesome job. I felt the energy even through the words that you wrote. I felt like this was a true honest advice. I am tired of people writing just to write, here is someone writing about something they have experience.
I see many college graduates go back to the same low paying job they had while they were attending college. Most people don’t realize that a degree is just the beginning of education, not the end.
There are other skills that most people will probably never learn through school such as; money management, debt, sales, time management, people skills, networking, successful habits, right attitude, etc…
It’s scary to see people spend 80,000 to go to school and get an entry job paying 60,000 a year before taxes. You will probably be paying students loans until the day you retire because most people pay the minimum premium.
But at the end of the day, those who understand that college is only the beginning and not the end of the learning, will become extremely successful and be able to live a good life full of abundance.
I don’t know if the point has been made, but it is also worth considering whether the school you’re attending will accept any credits that have been accumulated in high school. I was fortunate enough to have a solid idea of where I wanted my career to progress to, and had 50 credits by the time I finished HS. I went to a state school (State University of New York at Binghamton) and finished with a BS of Accounting in 3 years. If you can save time (and therefore money) it’s worth considering that factor too.
Amen! I agree the most with the statement that letting 18 year olds make huge financial decisions while parents keep their mouths shut is ridiculous. And then the amount of govt aid you get is based on what your parents make? I don’t know about most families, but my parents didn’t even put a roof over my head when I was in school and they certainly aren’t paying for it now! I did go to a fancy university and an even fancier grad school. My fancy grad school degree does get me jobs more easily and keep them. I do believe that my education made me very good at what I do. Problem is I found my calling in a specialty that tends to be non-profit. No money in that and when I can’t afford my student loans I’m certainly not “stimulating the economy.” Vicious cycle that I wish I had understood better when I was 18. Followed a champagne dream on a Ramen budget.
Nobody seems to be mentioning the sky rocketing tuition rates. The cause is simple…easy access to student loan money. Universities, public and private alike, have capitalized on this and jacked up their tuition rates. They excuse it with reasoning like “expanding degree offerings” or “improving curriculum.” That’s all well and good, but not when the additional degrees offered are things like Putting Green Management…not at the cost of skyrocketing tuition for everyone.
Private schools have to price themselves higher than public to appear of higher quality. They really have no choice, plus they get to rake in more money. Win win for the school. Lose lose for every student whose parents aren’t loaded.
Unfortunately, I see no realistic solution. Reducing total loan money offered will keep qualified students out of school, something we need more than ever in today’s globally competitive economy. Loan reductions would have to occur with a simultaneous tuition (and subsequently program offering) reduction across the board at every school. Not going to happen.
One issue I’ve noticed is many first-generation college students taking the leap, and the debt, in order to make it. Their parents can’t or won’t offer financial support of any kind. Private loans are their utter undoing. However, Federal loans and grants really help. The loans are still debt, but there’s a yearly and a total cap that helps keep it in check as an undergraduate.
I went to a state school and financially was completely on my own. I had a free tuition scholarship from good grades, PELL Grant, and subsidized Federal loans. Eventually I also worked as a Resident Assistant for free rent in the dorms. Between high school credits and an overloaded course schedule, I made it out in 3 years and just under $20,000 in federal loans. So I survived on about $6-8k a year for healthcare, groceries, transportation, books, and more. When you’re on your own, those loans go for more than just the education. It’s food in your stomach, a doctor when you’re sick, and a 10 year old car to get you to work.
And then I got to grad school. And my finances went out of control. No grants or scholarships to help. My roommate became dangerously ill and I took out two larger loans (since it had a higher limit) to cover both of our living expenses over the course of two years. Suddenly it went from manageable and a success story to something of a nightmare. An additional $40k nightmare. I’m working GRAs to cover tuition and internships and part-time jobs to rack up the experience as quickly as I can so that I don’t take out another loan and can land a well-paying job. I’m also desperately trying to pay off any unsubsidized loans and their interest before then, so I only have the lower interest subsidized loans to pay off long-term.
It’s frightening. It wasn’t supposed to be like this, at least according to my careful plan that exploded as soon as an emergency came up. But both my roommate and I are the offspring of somewhat failed families that were always unable to help us. So we make do. And while the debt is scary, I’m quickly learning how to plan for the future and make sure I have enough squirreled away to cover my expenses. It’s a hard lesson to learn, but I think in the end it will be worth it. I AM learning, and not just from my University. Living on my own taught me a lot more than most kids figure out with their parents coddling them. If I hadn’t agreed to take on the debt, I’d be trapped in a dead-end cycle of life like my family. And at least I already know that I can survive on a very tiny budget, since most of my income will be going to paying off the debt for the next few years.
At 22 I thought my dream was to become a family therapist. Now I am a 30 year old Marketing Manager with a masters in Marriage and Familty Therapy and a student loan. While I don’t regret accomplishing my masters degree or my decision to switch careers, I would recommend heavily weighing out why you want the expensive degree and if it is feasibly worth the payments you will be making well past your 20 year college reunion. Our plans and dreams change, you have to think about how a $1000+ monthly payment will factor into future plans and what sacrifices will potentially have to be made to maintain these payments (i.e. if you shell out 200K for Georgetown Undergrad followed by Columbia Law and a year after graduation, you find out you can’t stand your job and dream of becoming teacher, well, you’re SOL my friend).
And on another note, from my personal experience, smart networking & strong performance will far outshine any school name on your resume. If you’re a sharp & proven professional, it all boils down to who you know and being at the right place at the right time.
I think much of this is about education. How many people will read this blog who are more likely to take out the ridiculous loans? Are we incorporating “fiscal responsibility in college tuition” in junior year of high schools? is this a required course for parents and students before they decide on college debt? I agree completely that students should realize that college is college no matter where you go, and that the degree more likely will advance your economic status rather than the name on the degree, however, when their parents have credit card debt, mortgage, and car loans – isn’t a student loan an expected part of living life? I don’t know if the government should assist in this matter, but i hope ever person can tell that 15, 16, and 17 year old in their life that college loans are not your only alternative.
I do agree up to a certain point. There is no need for someone to go above what they can afford. Unless you are going to a school like Harvard or Duke for something you know they are just much better at than any other school then you shouldn’t do it. It is like they said, why would you buy a Mercedes when you can only afford Hyundai? Where does the line get drawn between receiving a high quality education and just overspending? I believe it is all about finding a balance. If there is a school that is really expensive but you know is entirely worth it in the end then go for it but if you can get the exact same education but for a fraction of the price then it’s obvious which is the better choice.
Great post!
I’ve made a lot of dumb financial decisions in college. Mainly, using student loans to survive (paying my rent, bills and travel expenses). Because it was available, it was so easy to attain. Now I’m looking at 40K in debt for a Communications degree that I am not currently using. So pissed.
I want to go back to grad school to learn something entirely different but the fact that I’m paying my student loans back right now, hurts me to the core.
Any advice?
Great article. It is too little too late for me. My parents are upper middle class, so when it came time to decide on a school my mother’s yearly full take home pay was supposed to help me through school. This is what I was told. I wanted to be, and became an engineer. So I applied to a private school that had a CO-Op program[added an additional year] and was known for engineering, and you could start taking core classes immediately. Due to my parents salaries I received next to nothing in grants or help. This coupled with a severe family problem. It turned out my mother pissed away most of the money set aside for my education I was on my own. I accumulated about $124K in undergraduate federal and state backed loans between 2 and 5% with no accumulated interest. After graduating(2006) this greatly weighed on me, and limited where I could land a job. While interviewing in my mind i knew my monthly payments would be high and my yearly salary had to start near 50K. I consolidated these loans into a 30 year loan, and my monthly payment is $744.00 a month. I basically have two mortgages to account for every month now. I am very fortunate that I found a job right out of school and picked a major that could afford these loans. My plan has been to pay more then the minimum payment each month as my salary increases throughout my career. This though limits how I can live my life, and causes me to make sacrifices. Looking back on it if I knew this was a possibility I would have gone to a public school.
First choose your future degree and graduation path at your state college (talk to a counselor). Also find out which community college courses can be transferred and applied towards your state degree (again with your state counselor). Then go sign up at your community college with exactly those transferable credit courses, only (Not all are transferable and applicable to state). Oh and BTW, don’t waste your time or money on ANY technical school, PERIOD! (google “reviews” of the technical school you’re thinking about and you’ll see why).
This post was just designed to incite emotions from people, so I kind of resent that I fell into the trap. Here I go anyway.
Coming from someone who went to a 40k school – it was worth every penny. Not only do I make a lot more money than my peers who went to state schools or worse private institutions, I received a better education and experience. I’m sorry, but Chem 101 at a community college is not the same as it is at Duke.
However, the author has a bit of a point when they bring up Wake Forest. Once you get outside the top 20 major universities and top 10 liberal arts colleges, things get dicey real fast. You can’t be an English major at Wake Forest (which by the way is a respectable school) and accrue a ton of debt. You need to be an engineer or something far more vocational that you know will pay off quickly. There was a New York Times article recently about an English major at NYU who was now completely indebted. Well, yeah! If you’re an English major at a top school (which I consider NYU), you better really work hard to get great experience in your internships so you have something to balance your non-practical major when you apply for jobs.
So yes, the author is right that some practicality needs to be added to this equation, but let’s not be silly here, community college doesn’t equate to a top school.