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		<title>By: Ken Tarquinio</title>
		<link>http://www.mint.com/blog/trends/a-visual-guide-to-deflation/comment-page-2/#comment-48944</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Tarquinio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 23:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deflation for many products has been with us for a long time already. In the 1960&#039;s a color tv set was $1000 or more. Today a far superior set to the one that sold for $1000 fifty years ago can be purcashed for a fraction of this amount. Combine this with the fact that inflation has reduced the purchasing power of the dollar for many other comodities to a fraction of what they cost during the same period and the cost difference is maginifed Despite the fact that TVs continue to get cheaper the industry has continued to sell increasing numbers of televsions because people can now afford products that were simply too expensive just a short time before. The same can be seen for personal computers, cell phones, and virtually all other consumer products. Virtually all consumers recognize this fact and continue to purchase products long before they reach their lowest anticipated price. People say to themselves &quot;Sure, this TV will cost me $1000 today and I may be able to purchase a comparable product for half that amount in a few years. However, that will require me to lose the benefit of owning the TV during the expected intervening years. The value of the expected utility of the TV is greater than the savings that I would enjoy if I waited&quot;.  

There are of course some goods that this may not be true of. For instance, in areas where housing is very expensive to buy it may be less expensive to rent a a house than to own it. In addition renting a home rather than purchasing it has other advantages: in a rented house It would be easier and less expensive to move. However, a person may still be interested in purcahsing a home if they thought that we were in an inflationary period and the house was going to appreciate rapidly. That is because in the future they anticipate selling the house for more than they paid for it and reduce the total cost of living in the house substatially. On the other hand if market conditions were to change and deflation was expected it may make the most sense to sell real estate quickly.  If substantial numbers of home owners make the decisicon to sell simultaneously then abrupt changes in prices could occur and home owners and mortagage holders could get burned. This would make houses less attractive and difficult to sell and would discourage the creation of more houses in an already flooded market.. This, of course explains the market conditions for housing in many parts  of the country today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deflation for many products has been with us for a long time already. In the 1960&#8242;s a color tv set was $1000 or more. Today a far superior set to the one that sold for $1000 fifty years ago can be purcashed for a fraction of this amount. Combine this with the fact that inflation has reduced the purchasing power of the dollar for many other comodities to a fraction of what they cost during the same period and the cost difference is maginifed Despite the fact that TVs continue to get cheaper the industry has continued to sell increasing numbers of televsions because people can now afford products that were simply too expensive just a short time before. The same can be seen for personal computers, cell phones, and virtually all other consumer products. Virtually all consumers recognize this fact and continue to purchase products long before they reach their lowest anticipated price. People say to themselves &#8220;Sure, this TV will cost me $1000 today and I may be able to purchase a comparable product for half that amount in a few years. However, that will require me to lose the benefit of owning the TV during the expected intervening years. The value of the expected utility of the TV is greater than the savings that I would enjoy if I waited&#8221;.  </p>
<p>There are of course some goods that this may not be true of. For instance, in areas where housing is very expensive to buy it may be less expensive to rent a a house than to own it. In addition renting a home rather than purchasing it has other advantages: in a rented house It would be easier and less expensive to move. However, a person may still be interested in purcahsing a home if they thought that we were in an inflationary period and the house was going to appreciate rapidly. That is because in the future they anticipate selling the house for more than they paid for it and reduce the total cost of living in the house substatially. On the other hand if market conditions were to change and deflation was expected it may make the most sense to sell real estate quickly.  If substantial numbers of home owners make the decisicon to sell simultaneously then abrupt changes in prices could occur and home owners and mortagage holders could get burned. This would make houses less attractive and difficult to sell and would discourage the creation of more houses in an already flooded market.. This, of course explains the market conditions for housing in many parts  of the country today.
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		<title>By: Angelina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Why do you regret giving mint.com your logins to your financial accounts?  Thanks.
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		<title>By: vic marcucci</title>
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		<dc:creator>vic marcucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So maybe we need to analyse what is wrong with economics as a system. We know a lot about how systems are supposed to function from science and technology. If we keep talking about the economic system and it really isn&#039;t a system, then we need to make adjustments, no matter how little or radical those may be. After all, a true system has an inside and an outside, a real storage capacity, etc. The financial/monetary system is endowed with created money from thin air; yet science tells us no creation is possible. What is in storage is therefore unreal and largely negative (debt). Is it no wonder we have the twin evils of inflation/deflation and their consequences. We are dealing in non reality, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So maybe we need to analyse what is wrong with economics as a system. We know a lot about how systems are supposed to function from science and technology. If we keep talking about the economic system and it really isn&#8217;t a system, then we need to make adjustments, no matter how little or radical those may be. After all, a true system has an inside and an outside, a real storage capacity, etc. The financial/monetary system is endowed with created money from thin air; yet science tells us no creation is possible. What is in storage is therefore unreal and largely negative (debt). Is it no wonder we have the twin evils of inflation/deflation and their consequences. We are dealing in non reality, no?
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		<title>By: John Flynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I&#039;ve been sensible and saved money, while my neighbor has pissed away every sent he&#039;s made and borrowed as much as he can, and my government is going to devalue my savings so that my neighbor can pay for all his extravagances with cheap money. USA! USA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I&#8217;ve been sensible and saved money, while my neighbor has pissed away every sent he&#8217;s made and borrowed as much as he can, and my government is going to devalue my savings so that my neighbor can pay for all his extravagances with cheap money. USA! USA!
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		<title>By: Runner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Runner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s so much controversy and argument about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s so much controversy and argument about this.
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		<title>By: OBAMA SUCKS</title>
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		<dc:creator>OBAMA SUCKS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ITS BULLSHIT...JUST  LIKE THE BIG LIAR   OBAMA IS.....HA WAKE UP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITS BULLSHIT&#8230;JUST  LIKE THE BIG LIAR   OBAMA IS&#8230;..HA WAKE UP!
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		<title>By: loan</title>
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		<dc:creator>loan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm all very interesting stuff, really makes me wish I studied something useful in college... 
Any way, I&#039;ll take a crack at this thing. 

I think that the best way to have prevented this from happening in the first place would have been to either 
A. Not print money (or)
B. Not print more money then what is held in gold

My logic (if you&#039;d call it that :) is that a lot of confusion occurs when a pay check is reduced. As was pointed out, no one wants to go from making 10 bucks an hour to 8, even if it means that 8 dollars=11, it&#039;s too psychologically frightening. 

With a &quot;moneyless&quot; system, however you don&#039;t have to worry about being the greedy bad politician who is lowering Minimum wage, because there was never a minimum wage in the first place. A dollar today would have the same value as a dollar had when the US dollar came to be. It&#039;s value would be rooted on the value of gold (or whatever preciousness it would be valued on). 

Of course, the &#039;moneyless&#039; boat sailed out along time ago. The Inflation/deflation system has it&#039;s tentacles too thoroughly around the economy for it to be shaken off (at least IMO). 

Instead, if/when a cycle such as the deflation one occurs, the wise idea IMO, in addition to other things, would be to increase tariffs.
 I know, there&#039;s much hissing and gnashing of the teeth, but this is the logic (again most likely stretching the term:)

 IF prices go up on foreign widgets, that means that purchasers gain a strong incentive to buy domestic (duh) and that domestics prices can afford to go up, since foreign buying prices are artificially raised to what ever the tariff tells it to be. Then prices go up, companies make the bones, and can afford to hire more people. Isolationist though this may be, it is what needs to happen in instances of deflation IMO, at least temporarily as an aid to help with deflation issues. Obviously if it is a state or local issue then state or local tariffs are called for.
 Really a free global market only benefits the ones that are capable of competing in it, as that isn&#039;t the majority of the American people, I can&#039;t see how its in our nations interest.(though I am more then happy to learn:) 
OF course, with things like NATO and other free market obligations, what can many do now? Stop the people who keep those things in place. duh. 

(Crazy rant start)
I say people start using the system to rebuild the system. Voting, yes protesting great, but what about lobbyist groups? The power of the dollar rivals the power of the vote, and I am sure if the cash is right many would be politicians would champion the cause if it meant they&#039;d have the doe to get elected. Imagine the amount of power the honest voter would have if lobbing was eliminated. Use lobbying to end lobbying. Sounds just crazy enough to work.(Crazy rant end) 

When Reddit said

&quot;The root causes of such apprehension are largely uninvestigated and simply assumed to be unresolvable without government intervention&quot; 

I am tempted to think that the cause of such apprehensions is a many faceted thing. Lack of ambition (guilty) is one of them, sub-par education another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm all very interesting stuff, really makes me wish I studied something useful in college&#8230;<br />
Any way, I&#8217;ll take a crack at this thing. </p>
<p>I think that the best way to have prevented this from happening in the first place would have been to either<br />
A. Not print money (or)<br />
B. Not print more money then what is held in gold</p>
<p>My logic (if you&#8217;d call it that <img src='http://www.mint.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  is that a lot of confusion occurs when a pay check is reduced. As was pointed out, no one wants to go from making 10 bucks an hour to 8, even if it means that 8 dollars=11, it&#8217;s too psychologically frightening. </p>
<p>With a &#8220;moneyless&#8221; system, however you don&#8217;t have to worry about being the greedy bad politician who is lowering Minimum wage, because there was never a minimum wage in the first place. A dollar today would have the same value as a dollar had when the US dollar came to be. It&#8217;s value would be rooted on the value of gold (or whatever preciousness it would be valued on). </p>
<p>Of course, the &#8216;moneyless&#8217; boat sailed out along time ago. The Inflation/deflation system has it&#8217;s tentacles too thoroughly around the economy for it to be shaken off (at least IMO). </p>
<p>Instead, if/when a cycle such as the deflation one occurs, the wise idea IMO, in addition to other things, would be to increase tariffs.<br />
 I know, there&#8217;s much hissing and gnashing of the teeth, but this is the logic (again most likely stretching the term:)</p>
<p> IF prices go up on foreign widgets, that means that purchasers gain a strong incentive to buy domestic (duh) and that domestics prices can afford to go up, since foreign buying prices are artificially raised to what ever the tariff tells it to be. Then prices go up, companies make the bones, and can afford to hire more people. Isolationist though this may be, it is what needs to happen in instances of deflation IMO, at least temporarily as an aid to help with deflation issues. Obviously if it is a state or local issue then state or local tariffs are called for.<br />
 Really a free global market only benefits the ones that are capable of competing in it, as that isn&#8217;t the majority of the American people, I can&#8217;t see how its in our nations interest.(though I am more then happy to learn:)<br />
OF course, with things like NATO and other free market obligations, what can many do now? Stop the people who keep those things in place. duh. </p>
<p>(Crazy rant start)<br />
I say people start using the system to rebuild the system. Voting, yes protesting great, but what about lobbyist groups? The power of the dollar rivals the power of the vote, and I am sure if the cash is right many would be politicians would champion the cause if it meant they&#8217;d have the doe to get elected. Imagine the amount of power the honest voter would have if lobbing was eliminated. Use lobbying to end lobbying. Sounds just crazy enough to work.(Crazy rant end) </p>
<p>When Reddit said</p>
<p>&#8220;The root causes of such apprehension are largely uninvestigated and simply assumed to be unresolvable without government intervention&#8221; </p>
<p>I am tempted to think that the cause of such apprehensions is a many faceted thing. Lack of ambition (guilty) is one of them, sub-par education another.
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		<title>By: Pierre Pienaar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Pienaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way beat all the &quot;flations&quot; is to trade Forex. My cash stays liquid. Okay, I know how to trade, to ensure profits in the long run.</description>
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		<title>By: Karen Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it!</description>
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