Is Grad School Worth the Money?

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Laid off? Time for Grad School?
So you had a job that you liked (and hopefully not loved) but you, like 9.3 million other Americans, are now jobless. Sitting around in gym shorts sending desperate resumes and cover letters is getting tiring (how many times can you hear the words “hiring” and “freeze” next to each other?), and you’ve always dreamed of being a therapist or photographer or just getting an MBA so you can tell your former Ivy League colleagues to shove it. Should the crappy economy drive you to get a Master’s Degree?
First consider my story: I got a fine degree in the liberal arts. You know the kind, practical, career-oriented and… other buzz words that I am not finding in Nietzsche’s Collected Works. Despite how well prepared I was for the real world (snark!), I decided to go back to school for journalism. After some time in the Illinois corn fields, I had a snazzy master’s degree. But, wait, no one cared about a degree in journalism. And because the “advanced professional” degree basically crammed a four-year program into one, I had the same classes and teachers as students four or five years younger than me, but no internships—those things that get your foot in the door. In fact, on more than a few interviews, I was told that the degree kept me from getting potential jobs because employers were afraid that I’d ask for more money. (And trust me, I’d be doing the same grunt work as a not-yet-jaded 21-year-old.) Ouch.
Some degrees are just a very expensive way of boosting your personal morale when there’s a scary gray area in life—and convenient patch in a university’s bleeding budget–and some are actually empowering career moves. Before you move to the cornfields, please, please do these three things:
Do a cost/benefit analysis
The Council of Graduate Schools sings a pretty convincing tune in its publication Why Should I Get a Masters Degree. The number of degrees awarded in 2007 was up 43 percent over a decade earlier. (Please note that the latest data available is generally for 2007 and 2008, the 2009 school year doesn’t have much released data yet.) According to the publication, a person with a grad degree earns on average $10,000 more per year. He also moves up faster in his career and is more likely to be employed. (The Council also argues, nonsensically, that getting a graduate degree can actually improve your health—in fact, there is a correlation between education and health, but correlation is not causality. Thank you, liberal arts degree, for something useful!) And, yes, the Bureau of Labor Stats agrees, education pays.
The average yearly cost for postgraduate study towards a master’s is $21,900 for a public school and $34,100 for a private one, according to the Department of Education. That is up 60 percent in just one decade. And those numbers are ballooning even more now. A graduate degree at the University of California, Berkeley: $26,000 per year in fees in tuition, plus $1,170 added on after the recent budget catastrophe, bringing just tuition to $27,170 per year of study. Multiply by two, and add about $8,000 to $10,000 per year for living costs. Your loan = $74,340.
That sounds well and good, but there are some degrees that just don’t pay off in the workplace, and some that do. Andrea J. Koncz, Employment Information Manager at National Association of Colleges and Employers, brings up a few professions that do show major pay increases:
Bachelor’s Degree Computer Science – $61,467 Master’s Degree Computer Science – $68,627 Bachelor’s Degree Electrical Engineering – $60,509 Master’s Degree Electrical Engineering – $70,921 Bachelor’s Degree Mechanical Engineering – $59,222 Master’s Degree Mechanical Engineering – $66,961
Cartooning? Editing? Sports announcing? Check salary.com, and be prepared for the worst.
Understand that it’s now more competitive, especially at the cheaper schools
Grad school applicants always rise in a poor economy; The Council of Graduate Schools reports that applicants were up 4.8 percent in 2008, after being up 8 percent in 2007. This trend is making it harder to get into school because of the increased competition.
Because of the economy, people are also going after the perceived value of public schools. Public schools were almost twice as likely as private schools to report increases in enrollment for 2009-10 (47 percent vs. 26 percent).
So, basically, you might be looking at as tough of a market for school as for jobs. Even if you are willing to invest despite skyrocketing costs, you may not even you your foot in the door, so best to apply to many schools.
Know the difference between wishful thinking and inspired thinking
If you always had a dream to do something, and you’ve got the excuse and time to finally do it, wonderful. The blog Unemploymentality brings up a good point if you are feeling blindly for that inspiration, though. They says that if you claim the maximum amount of unemployment, you’ll clock in around $21,060 per year, while the average grad student stipend is $18,779. You’ll be counting less change as a couch surfer. Another ouch.
And more to the point, buying into yet another dream that graduate school is selling you could just be deferring the problem of unemployment another year or six, all the while acquiring more and more debt. A great article from the Chronicle of Higher Education suggests that you bite the bullet and get some kind of experience, even if it is in a field that you think is “above” your education. All experience leads somewhere and teaches important skills, even if they aren’t the ones you think you need.
At least one self-made woman and career advisor, Penelope Trunk, advises to stay away from graduate school. She says it forces you to overinvest in something while the reward is just too risky. Trunk says, you’re better off working on a chicken farm. Literally.
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leave a commentI had a similar experience. I obtained a master’s degree in finance.
I contemplated whether or not I should just get a bachelor’s. In retrospect, I probably could have done better with a bachelor’s. I very likely would have been able to secure an internship which is key to getting into certain positions.
Instead, I discovered that not many companies cared about a master’s in finance as they care about an MBA when it comes to internships. But, that MBA really needs to come from a high-tier school to qualify you for the big bucks.
In conclusion, do your research before jumping in.
I think your article is kind of silly as I returned to school and because of my additional education did get a job
“I think your article is kind of silly as my one data point clearly disproves reams of data because I am a solipsist.”
One mistake you’re making here:
In the sources which are FOR graduation, you cite really biased sources (it would be really ridiculous for them to say they’re for anti education) while for sources ANTI graduation you cite pretty much independent sources.
I would like to hear of what other independent sources (career advisors etc) think about this, not an organization affiliates with the gov.
Great article with good sources, found really useful info btw. Cheers!
Considering I didnt finish college and I make well into 6 figures a year, I dont think a bachelors degree is really worth that much. Steady hard work and proving yourself repeatedly and to the right people is the key.
a master’s in liberal arts is worth about as much as a bachelor’s… 0… an arts degree from most schools says you didn’t know what to after high school so you went to university, took bird courses, and partied
This advice doesn’t apply universally.
Make smart, informed choices, but don’t let “experts” make this decision for you.
For example I decided that only one graduate school would warrant the costs and this was a local, top tier public school that allowed me to keep my current job part time. I applied there and let their decision to admit be my beacon. By trimming my expenses (selling my car, living cheaply) and keeping my part-time job I was able to cover my non-academic costs (rent, food, etc), while only paying 8k per year on in-state tuition. I’ll have some debt, but it will be paid for quickly, and my career trajectory will be very different than it was before.
There are ways to make grad school affordable and if you can work, be a student researcher or TA, or find other supports, you can benefit from grad school without crazy overextending yourself.
Frankly, I’m pretty tired of these Mint meta-philosophy moments. Financial advice isn’t very good when its aimed at mass consumption. Think about your own financial situation, use Mint to lay it on the table, talk with your friends and family, make some budgets, crowd source donations from your community, and think deep about the decision. Its not much fun without community support to begin with and you are going to want their buy-in. It’ll make you work harder and keep you focused. One thing is certain, don’t buy that crap about the chicken farming or listen to anyone preaching the “hard work” tonic. Grad school can provide some hard knocks and any good qualities you have will be better from it.
Just because it worked out for you her article is “kind of silly.” Congratulations on the degree and the job but this is the kind of short thinking that is plaguing America today. I did this, so that must not be true.
The article articulates several points that are contrary to the common “beltway” wisdom. All of which are well thought out and ultimately true. I am not against education but the myth that best thing you can do is go to grad school and if you do you will be richly rewarded is recklessly propagated to and by today’s youth. As the research shows, in far to many cases this is just not the case.
Ten years ago I was making about $40K a year as a paralegal. I have got a JD and an LL.M since then. The degrees cost me plenty, but so far it has been great financially. I was able to avoid being laid off, but did have to do a year of government work with a huge pay cut before going back to a law firm. Unfortunately, the law firm life is not the most rewarding morally or emotionally, but my family is well provided for (knock on wood). Without those degrees I would still be making $40k.
Right.
Guess I’ll be trashing that free ride to my Master’s degree because someone who is unemployed and needs a job told me to do so.
(Yeah, right. As stated above, always consider the source. I don’t take advice about my career goals from unemployed people.)
I got a master’s degree 28 years ago, when it was MUCH cheaper than today. The reason I got the degree, in my early 20s, was to be able to teach in college in case I ever wanted to do that. A few years ago, I decided to go that route and soon discovered you now need a PhD. to teach. So keep that sort of thing in mind if you’re considering graduate school. What it seems to be today it may not be tomorrow. In my experience, people who are willing to work hard will most of the time be employed, whether or not they have an advanced degree. That said, I don’t regret my master’s degree, even though it was difficult and didn’t particularly enjoy getting it. But if I had paid $60,000 for it I might regret it, given the real use it has provided me since. Still, perhaps it has impressed those who did hire me. But who knows? Life is a gamble.
Another mistake: whether the job actually requires you to have graduate experience or not.
For example, if you want to do anything CPA-worthy, you’d better get that masters, because in a fair amount of states you can’t practice without one.
Joe, I am surprised someone as well educated as you isn’t aware of how useless anecdotal evidence is.
@ Darko – it’s not a mistake. The vendor of any product is likely to be biased and any objective view needs to come from an independent source otherwise it’s not independent and therefore inherently biased.
Even though I was tempted, I decided not to go to graduate school. Let’s take the computer science numbers as an example, and also assume that the masters took 2 years.
batchelors masters
year 1 salary $61,467 0 (In school, earning masters)
year 2 salary $67,614 (10% raise) 0 (In school, earning masters)
year 3 salary $74,375 (10% raise) $68,627
The above numbers are compelling enough… add to the above that the masters student has lots of debt, and almost more importantly, the guy with the BS has a 2 year jump in corporate politics.
I’d meet recently hired masters, and they were more technically skilled, but I could run laps around them in terms of corporate politics.
Since, I’ve made up the educational gap via university extension classes.
I think the main idea the author hits home is that you really should think critically about whether graduate school is for you. I’m at an Ivy and even here I’ve seen enough people get out and struggle – making you wonder if it was worth it.
The problem is if people come in without real direction, under some assumptions (higher pay, more opportunities) but don’t know how to work the system or how to make the most of their time while here. The ones who come in with a solid direction take off, leverage the degree, the name, the social connections and do great after. Even at a top school, nothing is a given these days.
In that sense, many would have been much better off cashing in on their opportunity costs instead of incurring thousands of dollars in debt – and… being unhappy in the process. At least in my field, research is key and I’m surprised at how many people don’t like research but have been around for years trying to finish. Life is too short for that and there are so many other ways to improve your financial position.
For me, I hated undergraduate education and after a few years in industry realized what my calling was. I couldn’t be happier in my program. I didn’t have any direction 10 years ago and wandered around. But now with clear insight, my investment in a masters turned into opportunities like funding and an chance for a doctorate so it was a great decision. Had I made this move 10 years ago, I don’t think I would have been ready to take advantage of what graduate school offers.
To sum up: Do your homework. Make sure that grad school is an investment, not a hobby.
I did an undergraduate in bullshit, too. It actually makes me pretty angry that no one pulled me aside and said, “you need to change majors NOW.” Fellow BAs in BS used to joke about never finding a job, and then we graduated and found out that it wasn’t a joke.
I struggled A LOT for a few years after college. Those were dark, dark days. I knew that I was smart and capable like my friends who had gotten more clearly-employable jobs, but started to realize that, yeah, if I were in HR and I had 2 people applying for a position, both of whom seemed smart and capable, but one of them had a degree that sounded more like a job title than a Victorian gentleman’s hobby, I’d probably go with that person.
So I went back, but this time I did what I should have done the first time, which no one really told me, and which I don’t even know if I could have done if I had known I should. I ran it all backwards. I started by finding a job that I knew I could do well, which paid reasonably well, and which had a lot of flex time, and that I could apply my other experiences to. Then I got into a cheap program for that where I knew I could get an internship because I knew the people in the area, then I worked my butt off for 3 years in graduate school, wrote a well-received thesis, and had a job lined up before I defended.
More people just need to think more about this whole “education = $” business. I just don’t think it’s true. I think “brains/drive = $,” because the smartest, hardest-working, and most friendly people I know are doing the best, regardless of education (and that includes a high school dropout!). I do better in my field than a lot of people with degrees from ivy league schools.
But for my job, you have to have a master’s at least. Otherwise, there would have been no reason to do it.
I think the entire liberal arts field is a holdover from the days when only rich people could go to college. They already had jobs (or not!) with daddy’s company, so spending 4 years drinking, fornicating, and reading Proust was just a way to get ready for hanging around at the club. People who will have to work for a living should steer clear.
Now American graduates are faced with having to compete internationally because corporations are hiring more and more people from foreign countries who got their education for free back home and will work for less money here.
You forgot about assistantships. I’m in grad school and I don’t pay a dime, my program pays me. This is common for engineering and science.
I like the article and think all the comments are good, but there is something missing… internships. The value of a Master’s can be equated to the type of internships offered by the program. I received a Master’s in I/O Psychology in 2003. Because I was already employed full-time I decided to attend part-time and use my job as my internship, big mistake, despite the corporate tuition reimbursement. It’s been seven years since I completed my degree and the majority of the full-time graduates are VPs and making at least six figures, while those us that decided to attend part-time and use our jobs as our internships are still doing basically the same thing. I’ve found it difficult to find work where I’m actually using the degree I worked so hard for, the jobs I thought I could get with the degree only go to those who already have those types of positions. Because I didn’t do an internship in a position like the one I wanted I can’t get my foot in the door.
By chance I did find a position where I use a lot of what I learned, however, if I could go back I would have done it differently. My advice is to find about what organizations the program is affiliated with and where they place their interns. If that is something you’d like to do, then go for it and go for those internships.
i got an MBA 7 years ago, and am confident it was worth it (i went in state at a top 50 ranked school – i paid practically nothing for it). i wonder though, if my salary would have been different had i not gone to grad school.
let me first say i don’t judge success in dollars, but it seams like the conversation here revolves around the relationship between education and salary, so for the context remaining, let’s just define success as making a lot of money.
i make what many would consider “a lot” of money, but feel as though i could easily be doing and making the same thing had i not gone after an mba. heck, my boss didn’t even realize i had an MBA until a year after he hired me. so my question is this: are success and advanced eduction really linked? i mean, one can argue that successful people are more likely to seek an advanced degree, and therefore would be just as successful without one. it’s difficult to tell for sure without measuring someones earning potential over their life then going back in time and watching the same person go through life without an advanced degree.
just a thought.
I definitely think that some are taking the article in a way that it was never intended. It attempted to give the pros, give the cons, and tell you to THINK before you act.
Personally, I’m a teacher at a public high school in a high needs district; not exactly making the big bucks here! But after taking the TIME & looking around I found an opportunity to get my degree (teaching STEM in Education) for free at a decent university. At the same time, I’m in a profession in which the unions run the show, so my ability to teach is (sadly) not how my salary is determined… it is simply based on loyalty (years at my school) and how I’ve attempted to further my education (BA, BA+15, MA, MA+15, PhD). Sad, but that’s how it is & I might at well work the system.
What it all boils down to is that people need to think for themselves. A single article that you read on the internet, no matter what the source, should not decide your future. As I tell my kids: do your research.
Great post Laura! I can relate 110% to your description of going to undergrad for the liberal arts (theatre to be exact – woot woot), now being laid off from a job I liked, and the questions of whether to return for grad school for a degree to help with my chances of getting a job that I’d actually want.
For me, a lot of the graduate school lure is the skills and professional connections I’d gain if I can get into one of my top-choice programs. My background is in social media marketing & community management and I want to, eventually, make the move into UX / interaction design (related to CM in my opinion but not an easy transition without the academic background in HCI or ID/UX). But looking at the price tags of the top programs in the field sure has me clutching my virtual piggy bank and wondering if it’s worth the inevitable years of debt that come with a higher education in a professional masters, where scholarships — at least big scholarships and grants — are unlikely.
However, what’s maybe different in my situation is that job prospects, despite my lay off, are decent. Community management & social media marketing are hot right now, lucky for me. On one hand, I almost wish they weren’t — it’s really painful to opt for grad school during a recession when you’re one of the few people with fairly good job prospects. Giving up unemployment for grad school is almost a no brainer, but giving up a great job opportunity for the classroom is a decision I’ve spent years trying to make.
One thing that is tough is WHEN you get laid off — laid off in the summer or fall? You can apply to any program you want. Lay offs in the spring make it much harder to apply to grad school. Many programs, at least the ones I’m looking at, only take students in the fall, which means it’s too late to apply. I can’t just sit on my couch and wait another year to apply and attend school (or at least I tell myself I can’t — physically I probably could.)
Is grad school worth it? I have no idea. I know plenty of people in grad school or with grad degrees and for the most part they’re doing fine. On the other hand, my layoff would have hurt a lot more if I had a grad school loan that I was in the process of paying off. So I’m not sure…
You can do all the research you want, but there’s still no magic 8 ball that can tell you what the job market will look like when you get out of grad school(only estimates), who will be hiring, what they’re looking for, and if the degree will really get you the job you’re after. It all comes down to how ambitious you are and the experience you have–whether you have a grad degree or not.
I’m a professor of psychological research and, given my training and experience, I’d like to add a few points to this discussion.
First, as so many others here have said, employability is important when choosing a major or profession and one should always do one’s homework. Fair enough.
Second, assistantships and fellowships, when available, can make graduate school affordable. While I am aware that that the situation is different for masters degrees, it is entirely possible to get a PhD without ever taking out a loan. In fact, a person should NOT pursue a doctorate unless they receive a complete tuition waiver and respectable stipend. US News & World Report for example, said some time ago that a grad school in the liberal arts should be considered a low-paying job—not a lot of money but a positive cash flow.
Third, there is no reason that education should be totally career focused. My PhD is in social and personality psychology, which is a basic research degree with essentially no employability outside of academia. (Not the wisest move, admittedly, but it has worked out wonderfully—I have always been employed as a professor and I now have tenure, so that shouldn’t change.) Most of my students, on the other hand, are interested in being therapists of one kind or another. What I suggest is that they get a professionally-oriented degree like clinical psychology or social work but that they take as much social psychology as possible because it’s a fascinating field and it makes one a much better therapist.
But finally, income should never be confused with worthiness. Life is about so much more than money and education can contribute immeasurably to that quality of life. Yes, a certain financial level is necessary—you have to pay the rent, take the kids to the doctor, keep the car running, have a respectable retirement plan, etc.—but, provided that level is met, desires to go beyond that are often irrational. The research shows that money is very, very good at getting a person out of misery but has little bearing on happiness beyond that.
Again, I agree that one should do the homework and make sound decisions about grad school and I agree that employability is very, very important. I also believe that we should keep in mind that those are means and not ends.
I could not agree more; I struggled making pennies as a case manager in mental health after my bachelors and loved nothing more than helping children. But in the psychology field realized if I wanted to make ends meet and more importantly become a therapist I was going to have to go to grad school. I knew there would be loans and financing and all of the money stuff but the bottom line is being happy and living life and separating work from that. I see so many people unhappy with their jobs and traveling working long hours, and when the economy is in a crunch they realize they have lived by the mentality for the earlier part of life that school wasnt important. I didnt go to grad school until i was in the field for a few years so I did get work experience and yes i can still run circles around some interns. I dont care if im forever in debt; im happy, changing lives as a therapist, and since so many kids in this country are suffering in schools due to budget cuts and teacher stress, ill never lose business. Thanks for reading–
i am also in mental health and enjoyed your comment
School helps you find a better job: well paid and more interesting. And most a master degree.
I think its worthwhile to note that there are many other reasons to go to grad school besides the financial return. I am in my second year of law school now and yes, its extremely expensive, and yes, I really hope that it will pay off money-wise. But, at the same time, I am not sure that I would cash-in this experience for anything. Everything I am learning is absolutely fascinating and the people to whom I am exposed make me better and make me want to work harder. I know that no matter what job I end up in, I will be better because of my experiences in law school. Its become so fulfilling to me personally just in self-growth, that to me, I feel its worth it even though I don’t really know where life is going to take me. I feel like I don’t see going to grad school and a career as exclusively a means to afford a lifestyle, but its also an end in itself. If you really use that graduate education to grow and stretch your brain to absorb as much knowledge as you can, then it won’t be that piece of paper that will get you the higher returns, it’ll be your ability to blow employers away with everything you’ve become. The wonders of a graduate education aren’t in the letters that you can now put after your name, but in the process of learning.
My advice quit thinking of getting a master’s as going to grad school. Alot of colleges now offer one year master’s, provided you go into the master’s right out of your undergrad. If you want grad school to be worth it get some experience in a scientific field and get a PhD. Sure it’s 4-6 years but the school pays you the entire time, and in my case pays pretty well, and every employer you talk to will instantly put you in the elite category of their applicants. Doesn’t really matter what field you get it in because a PhD is a degree in how to think analytically and logically break down and analyze a complex problem- thats why physicists work for GS and JPM and I McKinley hires PhDs to do all kinds of consulting in all types of fields via their advanced degree program.
So to sum it all up with a PhD in a science field
1) The school pays you, well enough that several of my friends have bought houses while in grad school and most of us don’t need to eat ramen unless we’re feeling nostalgic for undergrad days
2) You spend some extra time in school but in this economy who cares even the worse case predictions, a la Pimco’s Bill Gross who has a vested interest in the economy lagging for an extended time, say that in 3-5 years the economy will be roaring again. Personally I think it will happen much sooner, more like Q4/2011-Q1 but even if I’m wrong I’ll graduate into a rapidly growing economy
3) The mere fact that you can have everyone call you Dr, even if it’s not the M.D type, means that for the rest of your life at every interview you instantly have your foot in the door
The value question comes into play here. How do you determine if an MBA school is worth the money?
Take a look at Private Equity Jobs Digest analysis of the FT tables…
http://digg.com/business_finance/Top_10_MBA_Schools_in_the_US_Based_on_VALUE
It changes the way we look at “Top MBA Schools”
Cheers!
David
Looks like your first link there is broken. Update it to: http://www.cgsnet.org/portals/0/…/Why_Should_I_Get_A_Masters_BW.pdf