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		<title>By: Amaterke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amaterke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soccer is my favorite sport

 Sorry for maybe off comment but some more history:

The modern rules of football are based on the mid-19th century efforts to standardise the widely varying forms of football played at the public schools of England.
The Cambridge Rules, first drawn up at Cambridge University in 1848, were particularly influential in the development of subsequent codes, including association
 football. The Cambridge Rules were written at Trinity College, Cambridge, at a meeting attended by representatives from Eton, Harrow, Rugby, Winchester and
 Shrewsbury schools. They were not universally adopted. During the 1850s, many clubs unconnected to schools or universities were formed throughout the
English-speaking world, to play various forms of football. Some came up with their own distinct codes of rules, most notably the Sheffield Football Club, 
formed by former public school pupils in 1857, which led to formation of a Sheffield FA in 1867. In 1862, John Charles
 Thring of Uppingham School also devised an influential set of rules

Historian man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soccer is my favorite sport</p>
<p> Sorry for maybe off comment but some more history:</p>
<p>The modern rules of football are based on the mid-19th century efforts to standardise the widely varying forms of football played at the public schools of England.<br />
The Cambridge Rules, first drawn up at Cambridge University in 1848, were particularly influential in the development of subsequent codes, including association<br />
 football. The Cambridge Rules were written at Trinity College, Cambridge, at a meeting attended by representatives from Eton, Harrow, Rugby, Winchester and<br />
 Shrewsbury schools. They were not universally adopted. During the 1850s, many clubs unconnected to schools or universities were formed throughout the<br />
English-speaking world, to play various forms of football. Some came up with their own distinct codes of rules, most notably the Sheffield Football Club,<br />
formed by former public school pupils in 1857, which led to formation of a Sheffield FA in 1867. In 1862, John Charles<br />
 Thring of Uppingham School also devised an influential set of rules</p>
<p>Historian man
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		<title>By: Coach Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coach Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First point is that the MLS has only been around for 14 years (since 1996) so it take time to grow and catch the &quot;Top Three&quot;. Second, the league has only 384 players so if you were to look at them simply as a company providing jobs in the U.S. and the avg. salary of the employees (384) is $148k that is pretty good. 

Actually there are currently 5 players in the MLS making more than $1M (Beckham, Donovan, Ljungberg, deGuzman) and another 9 players that make $300k or better. No match for the top European leagues but it has definetely come up over the last 5 years and with big name sponsors like VW, XBOX, RedBull, BestBuy, Amway, Herbalife, and Glidden contributing a combined $28M in shirt sponsorship alone. Not to mention the stadium deals that surely bring in just as much if not more that the shirt deals. 

Add to that the rule changes now allowing each team 2-3 Designated Players and it looks like the MLS is positioning itself to start to keep its own talent and bring in outside players with the power to draw on TV and at the ticket booth. 

Give it some time and support and remember salaries are directly related to revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First point is that the MLS has only been around for 14 years (since 1996) so it take time to grow and catch the &#8220;Top Three&#8221;. Second, the league has only 384 players so if you were to look at them simply as a company providing jobs in the U.S. and the avg. salary of the employees (384) is $148k that is pretty good. </p>
<p>Actually there are currently 5 players in the MLS making more than $1M (Beckham, Donovan, Ljungberg, deGuzman) and another 9 players that make $300k or better. No match for the top European leagues but it has definetely come up over the last 5 years and with big name sponsors like VW, XBOX, RedBull, BestBuy, Amway, Herbalife, and Glidden contributing a combined $28M in shirt sponsorship alone. Not to mention the stadium deals that surely bring in just as much if not more that the shirt deals. </p>
<p>Add to that the rule changes now allowing each team 2-3 Designated Players and it looks like the MLS is positioning itself to start to keep its own talent and bring in outside players with the power to draw on TV and at the ticket booth. </p>
<p>Give it some time and support and remember salaries are directly related to revenue.
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		<title>By: Heidi M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$148K is not simply the wages of a &#039;good desk job&#039;, as most highly educated professionals even in mid-career do not make $148K .... This is the wage of very few  &#039;excellent&#039; jobs in the private / public sectors, industry or non-profit.  A pro-soccer player lives a very nice, affluent life on this salary and still makes more than most of us have made to-date .. even for a relatively short athletic career.  Now we simply hope for any job in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$148K is not simply the wages of a &#8216;good desk job&#8217;, as most highly educated professionals even in mid-career do not make $148K &#8230;. This is the wage of very few  &#8216;excellent&#8217; jobs in the private / public sectors, industry or non-profit.  A pro-soccer player lives a very nice, affluent life on this salary and still makes more than most of us have made to-date .. even for a relatively short athletic career.  Now we simply hope for any job in the US.
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not exactly. Attendance to MLS matches averages just a few hundred below the NHL and NBA with over 16,300 per game compared to around 17,000 respectively. With it&#039;s current rate of growth it could theoretically surpass both leagues in attendance in just a couple of years! In Seattle matches for their MLS team, the Sounders, actually average a few thousand higher than for the Mariners and have since their founding. As far as the stadiums, 10 of the 16 MLS teams currently play in soccer-specific stadiums with two more being built in Kansas City and Houston and scheduled to open in 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly. Attendance to MLS matches averages just a few hundred below the NHL and NBA with over 16,300 per game compared to around 17,000 respectively. With it&#8217;s current rate of growth it could theoretically surpass both leagues in attendance in just a couple of years! In Seattle matches for their MLS team, the Sounders, actually average a few thousand higher than for the Mariners and have since their founding. As far as the stadiums, 10 of the 16 MLS teams currently play in soccer-specific stadiums with two more being built in Kansas City and Houston and scheduled to open in 2011.
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		<title>By: Mike K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think knowing the median value of salaries (in addition to the mean) would be more meaningful in these cases. I think the outliers (i.e. very highly compensated players) skew the results because of the minimum salaries imposed by the unions and contracts keep the mean artificially high. I believe significantly more than 50% of NFL players make less than $990,000 per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think knowing the median value of salaries (in addition to the mean) would be more meaningful in these cases. I think the outliers (i.e. very highly compensated players) skew the results because of the minimum salaries imposed by the unions and contracts keep the mean artificially high. I believe significantly more than 50% of NFL players make less than $990,000 per year.
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The soccer ignorance is awesome by some here.

There are several soccer specific stadiums that have capacity of about 25k.

MLS is not top quality, but is easily top 20. Indeed, 2nd tier, but it&#039;s not as bad as you think. Top MLS players often easily mesh into top leagues if the team is a right fit.

And yes, the salaries are low, but they rise every year. Contracts will start getting larger once the league is more established (financially) and there is bigger incentive for ownership to spend more money (TO MAKE MORE MONEY). MLS is here to stay because of a conservative, long-term approach business model, unlinke NASL.</description>
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<p>There are several soccer specific stadiums that have capacity of about 25k.</p>
<p>MLS is not top quality, but is easily top 20. Indeed, 2nd tier, but it&#8217;s not as bad as you think. Top MLS players often easily mesh into top leagues if the team is a right fit.</p>
<p>And yes, the salaries are low, but they rise every year. Contracts will start getting larger once the league is more established (financially) and there is bigger incentive for ownership to spend more money (TO MAKE MORE MONEY). MLS is here to stay because of a conservative, long-term approach business model, unlinke NASL.
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jermaine O&#039;Neal isnt earning that much from the celtics- he had his older deal bought out, and the celtics are giving him the mid-level exception, around $6M.  So essentially his figure is a combination of 2 salaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jermaine O&#8217;Neal isnt earning that much from the celtics- he had his older deal bought out, and the celtics are giving him the mid-level exception, around $6M.  So essentially his figure is a combination of 2 salaries.
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		<title>By: Finlandia420</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finlandia420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelvin Hayden doesn&#039;t make 17 mil a year.  His deal is 43mil over 5 years,  It could be a heavily back-loaded contract, where in the fifth year he would make that much, but the Colts would cut him or renegotiate before ever paying that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelvin Hayden doesn&#8217;t make 17 mil a year.  His deal is 43mil over 5 years,  It could be a heavily back-loaded contract, where in the fifth year he would make that much, but the Colts would cut him or renegotiate before ever paying that.
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>except for football players in europe
they earn up to a hundred million</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>except for football players in europe<br />
they earn up to a hundred million
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even still, there is no market for soccer.  No advertising because nobody is watching or going to games.  How many cities in the US have dedicated soccer stadiums??   My guess is zero.  I realize soccer is bigger in other markets, but you need the US involved if you want the big cash.

Without any revenue, how are they supposed to match the high salaries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even still, there is no market for soccer.  No advertising because nobody is watching or going to games.  How many cities in the US have dedicated soccer stadiums??   My guess is zero.  I realize soccer is bigger in other markets, but you need the US involved if you want the big cash.</p>
<p>Without any revenue, how are they supposed to match the high salaries?
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